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what do you think will happen in City of Heavenly Fire?

  • Rwtia64
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    01:01, June 12, 2013

    I already know of what Jace and Clary are now dealing with, and poor Malec is done... so what do you think is next? Who did Cassie Clare choose to kill off?

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    • Well, i supose that Cassie is going to write the final of Malec and Sizzy, i really hope that they be together, COME ON CASSIE. There is going to be many losts, i think that Maia and Jordan are going to died, Maureen and Raphael also. Sebastian is going to be killed, but i dont imagine who is going to have the honor, i suposse Clary, Jace or Izzy.

      And i also think that the silent brother Zachariah is going to say his real name, Im 99% sure that is JEM!!! , he is going to tell his story and also I think that he is going to persuaded jace to use his real last name "Herondale" .

      Well that is what i think, and i hope Cassandra dont do something crazy things like killing magnus or Simon that now dont have the Mark.

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    • I really hope that she doesnt kill off one of  the best charactors like clary,jace,izzy,simon,magnus or Alec hopefully malec gets back together I also think one of the silent brothers is Jem .I hope Clary gets the honor of killing Sebastian

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    • There is definitely a forshadowing that Clary kills Jonathan as at the end of COLS she asks Jace if he wouldn't mind if she killed him instead. What I really want to know is more about Valentine's and Jocelyn's families. Despite everything Jonathan has done though, I still think its possible for him to have some redemption, though he would still die in the process.

      The person most likely of dying though would most probably be Alec since he still loves Magnus; Magnus since he can't stop caring for Alec, Jocelyn ( I can't explain why, but she is quite a complex character), or Jace since he died in COG; he's also one of the top few people who would sacrifice themselves for Clary without thinking about it.

      Izzy and Simon seem too supporting character to die though, as their relationship is second only to Jordan and Maia's in being least focused on.

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    • i personally think - and plz dont kill me for this - that its gonna be our beloved Jace. Cuz he already died like what, two times? idk how many lives shadowhunters have... but one more and i think Jace is out. :( sad face. When i heard the news, i was ligit sobbing cuz thats like still who i think it is... and my friends were like WTF (they'll never understand). i like the idea of Brother Zachariah being Jem though, gives us hope for CP2!!!

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    • When I heard someone was going to die in CoHF, I had a coniption. Although, I'm sad to say my first thought was Jace because he is one of the most favored characters in the series (next to Magnus, atleast thats what I hear). It would kill me if Jace died, because then all of the conflicts him and Clary faced together would've been for nothing. Also, his death could be a big part of The Dark Artifices story line. 

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    • As terrible as it is, I also think Jace is going to die. I don't want him to (I'd perfer Sebastian to die...) but all the signs point to it. If you read The Dark Artifices preview, it says that Emma wants to be like Jace and that gives me the impression he's dead. But, what made me flip the most is that her last name is Carstairs! Anyway, when I read something that Cassie said about writing a book, you have to "kill your darlings" and get rid of your favorite people or scenes... Jace is basically already gone. He's cheated death so many times and even died once so now the next time he gets in troube; that'll be it. It hurts to think how it'll affect Alec because of their parabatai connection... and Magnus already left him. Poor thing... Oh and Clary. Wow this'll be depressing... And if Jem is Zacariah I will cry. Then again, in one of the teasers, doesn;t he say something about the Silent Brothers..? I forgot what he said but it could be. Good point.

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    • I hope tessa appears in CoHf!!! That would be pretty cool. I also get the feeling Jace is going to die :( But I wonder about the holy fire power that Jace has in him. If Jace got stabbed by the sword, doesn't it also stab Sebastian? So doesn't Sebastian also have the fire inside him? OH MY GOSH I so want to read it!!! I also can't wait for Clockwork Princess!

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    • I think that Magnus or Simon will die because then that eliminates the problem of them both never ageing or dying whilst the others grow older and die. I would like maybe for Simon to become a shadowhunter somehow by use of the Mortal Cup and then Isabelle can finaly love someone and trust someone, which will be nice for her.

      I love Jace he is my favourite character and although it hurts me to say it I also think he will die :'( but maybe him and Clary will die together and walk into heaven hand in hand? Then atleast it would be a happy death.

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    • As depressing as that last part is, it's a sad sort of happy (to the comment above). And overall, I think it will be Simon or Jace. More so Jace because he is one of the main characters and it will be so depressing but also a great twist if he does. 

      But as for Malec, I have a strong feeling that Magnus will strip himself of his immortality and go back for Alec. I mean, think about. He's contimplated it before but felt betrayed when Alec almost did it. 

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    • I think maybe luke and clary die they seem the least likely to die so yeah

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    • While it would be best if only Sebastian died, I honestly wouldn't mind if Maia died. She has nothing going for her and isn't as developed as other characters. Though, her romance with Jordan is wicked cute. Even Jordan is more devloped and he appears less then Maia. My friend and I are always talking about how Alec and Magnus should get back together. They are PERFECT for each other and it was a shame that they broke up.

      Can't wait for Clockwork Princess! I'm waiting for Will and Tess to get together; they balance each other out. And Cecily seems like an amazing character with her wit and sarcasm shown through the teasers. Cassandra Clare is a gifted author; one of my top 5.

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    • Hmmm...... I think Malec will get together again, Cassie hinted it on her tumbler... it's been awhile, but... and as about killing, I assume Clary would be responsible for killing Jonathan... I read one snippent and it said: "She turned to Sebastian again..." I think that she will walk directly to Jonathan to save Jace, and then kill him. Maybe I'm wrong, but.... if Cassie kills Alec AND Magnus(like, Alec is killed by Jonathan, and Magnus kills himself), I'm going to throw a tantrum! I mean, next to Clary and Jace, they were my favourite guys from beginning!

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    • Hope, Raphael won't die. Down with Maureen.

      Sebastian should kill Jace; that could be a better end, that Jace kill Sebastian.

      Hope, Magnus die. Alec would be sad.

      Maia & Jordan ... I'm not sure.

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    • as much as i looooove jace i think that it could be possible that he will die but maybe he will die with clary so its sorta happy because they get to be together.

      dont hate me for this buuuuut...... i REALLY, REALLY hope sebastian/jonathan DOSEN'T DIE i know this is horrible but i for some reason love him as well as jace. but i would rather sebastian die then jace!

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    • This is just a small theory I came up with (Though I doubt it will happen :P)

      I think Alec's going to get gravely injured and get turned into a Vampire. Cassie DID say at least one main charcter would die in each of her series before it ends and being turned into a vampire would technically count as dying. Plus, it also solves the Malec immortality proble,.

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    • Evan peters as jonathan morgenstern wrote:
      as much as i looooove jace i think that it could be possible that he will die but maybe he will die with clary so its sorta happy because they get to be together.

      dont hate me for this buuuuut...... i REALLY, REALLY hope sebastian/jonathan DOSEN'T DIE i know this is horrible but i for some reason love him as well as jace. but i would rather sebastian die then jace!


      You're right. Sebastian shouldn't die. He's awesome.

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    • Well, I have no idea who will die, but it can't by Jace! Come on.. his life quite sucked, even after he met Clary. Now he deserves to be happy!!! But if he will die, I hope they will bring him back..again :) And I think that Clary or Jocelyn shloud kill Sebastian! 

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    • I hope it woun't be like with Clary's mother.. She loved Valentine and her best friend was werewolf  and he loved her but she was with Valentine and now she is finally with Luke. Don't get me wrong, Luke is great and for them it's great ending!! So what if Jace dies or turns to evil or whatever and Clary ends up with Simon? But I really don't want to see Clary with Simon together. I like Simon too, but not with Clary. My mind is trying to kill me with these thoughts :D Well I really hope,that Jace and Clary will have their happily ever after. 

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    • i think that clace will have to deal with  jace's fire, but things will continue to get more romantic, jace might use his fire to his advantage, a major character is going to die, there's going to be an epic battle, we'll discover more of the silent brothers, sizzy will officially happen, alec may get back with mangus (which hopefully doesn't happen for the last) clace may finally have sex lol

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    • i really love simon he's my favourite character and i don't want him to die.  personally, i know alot of people like jace the best, but he's my least favourite character.  so i can't say i'll be particularly sad if he dies in the novel

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    • Hmm... Wonder if it will be Clary who dies?

      Be a bit ironic, since in the first book, Clary's life 'began', you know, she discovered her Shadow hunter heritage, and the series then ends with her dying. She could sacrifice herself for Jace.

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    • I think that both Clary and Jace is going to die or just Jace. He's my favorite character and I don't want him to die but it looks like he is. I think either him or Clary and it will most likely be him. Because he won't be able to live if Clary dies. I think it's going to be some tragic ending when they both die. Maybe one of them dies and the other commits suicide OR they both just die. I really think one of them (if not both) is going to die. Believe me this is heartbreaking to me, they are my second-favorite ship.

      Simon and Isabelle. One of them might die and I think it might be Simon. And he's my second favorite character. I think the chances of Isabelle is unlikely and would be very hurtful because they already lost Max. If Simon is to live though, two things could happen: Either Isabelle and Simon break up or they find away to be together. If it was possible, maybe Simon could get turned into a shadowhunter or Isabelle into a vampire?

      Malec, my fave ship. Magnus might give up his imortality for Alec. It could be either tragic or happy. Alec might die and Magnus will kill himself OR they live a happily ever after :)

      IF Jace dies, I bet he will be the most famous hero ever. Or if both him and Clary die, they will both be the greatest heroes. Like their friends is going to look at a statue of them with angel wings, holding a sword(or stele) or something

      I think there will be this one part where Clary gets burned by Jace and that makes Jocelyn angry, and she will tell Clary to stay away from Jace. Jace will ofcourse be guilty and might start avoiding Clary again. But Clary will still get her way.

      Fave Guy characters (in order from 1st-3rd) - Jace-90% sure he might die, Simon-49% he might die, Sebastian-99.99% he might die.

      Fave Girl characters (in order from 1st-3rd) - Clary-50% sure she might die, Isabelle-2% sure she might die, and Jocelyn-20% sure she might die

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    • I know that somebody wll die. I like izzy, but id rather have her die then any of the other chars.

      I disagree witht he sizzy thing as well, I think Maia would be a better match for him (dont attack me if somethin happened to ehr, i havent gotten to lost souls yet.) but based on the one teaser with Sebastian on th bed, we all know hw doesnt care if shes his siter,he wants her. And by the look of it, clary is enjoying it, so I think something might have happened to her to make her like him romantically.

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    • I'm not sure but I think these characters will die in the book

      Sebastian (well Jonathan but Sebastian suits him better)

      Mareeun (I hate her)

      Raphael

      Luke (I'm really sorry but I feel like he's going to sacrifice himself for Jocelyn)

      Jace (He's cheated death so many times, frankly one is too many, and he has the fire problem. Also, I think Sebastian will kill him, making Clary kill Sebastian)


      I sooooooo hope Malec works out. To be honest, I first didn't like Malec but then Magnus shows how he truly loves Alec...It just hooked me UP! I think Magnus will lose is immortality for Alec or Alec will turn into a vampire (Just curious though, if one loses their immortality, does that mean they'll change to their original age?)


      I also support Sizzy. They're just so cute together, how Isabelle lets Simon talk about Star Wars and how she worries about him. She also said that she likes downworlders and Simon is a vampire.


      Clace...Don't get me started on Clace. They were always perfect for each other but if Jace dies.... Clary will never be the same again (I really hope Jace doesn't die, although he is sooooo annoying sometimes)

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    • I hope that Cassie's just scaring us and no one important will die (at least not forever). She can't break hearts of thousands girls.. After we'll wait another year, to find out that Jace or Clary or others are going to die? I have to say, I'm gonna by really angry and also heartbroken. 

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    • ^ has a good point

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    • Jace can't die, there wouldn't be any Herondales left. Well, any Herondales I know of and are still alive. But if he must...NO HE CANNOT DIE!!! I REFUSE TO ALLOW IT!!!! Any ways, anybody read Clockwork Princess yet? I did, it was sad and EPIC. Loved the ending and how everything connects. 

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    • I don't want Sizzy gone because I love Isabelle and Simon's gotten almost awesome.  If anything, I think (don't hunt me down and kill me for this) Magnus is going to be killed and Alec dies of either heartbreak, suicide, recklessness in battle.  I mean maybe Magnus dies and he gets so crazy he goes out there and starts killing dark Shadowhunters without caring about defending himself. 

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    • I don't really think she'd permanently kill of Jace. I get that he's cheated death, but why have someone cheat death tons of times just to ultimately kill him off? I feel like something wacky may happen with him and Sebastian, kinda like in Clockwork Princess with Jem (!!!). I ultimately think that Clary and Jace will finally be able to be happy together, though. Its been a long time coming.

      I definitely see Magnus giving up his immortality for Alec, especially after spending so many years with Tessa while they both live past their mortal loved ones. Jace/Clary and Magnus/Alec are probably my favorite relationships in MI, so if CC pulls a fast one, I will not be happy.

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    • No one would be happy with their deaths but if important characters don't die then I won't be satisfied. It wouldn't seem real for all of them to go to war and none of them dying. Someone has to be killed, and I think it might be Magnus or Alec.

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    • I'm Hoping Cassie Clare brings something from the infernal devices into the plot. Maybe Tessa making an appearance as Magnus' friend and brother Zachriah (I bet you he's Jem) to say his real name and to tell Jace about his family ect. Idk. I hope no one like Izzy or Magnus or Alec will die, i couldnt bare it. IDK though.

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    • I don't think Jace is going to die because he is the last of the Herondales, and i remember Brother Zachariah (Jem) said he would do anything in his power to protect the Herondale lines and protect Jace.

      I really think one of these characters will die; Simon, Isabelle, Alec, Luke, or Jocelyn 

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    • I personally bet that Sebastian may escape or that Lilith would use the strength she gained from being connected by so many "Dark Shadowhunters" that she would rapidly reform and use the excess energy garnered to summon Samael. 

      Samael being one of the chief princes of Hell would shock everyone by denouncing Lilith and stealing the Mortal Sword, which is Archangel Samael's repurposed sword.

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    • I hope Malec get back together, because I love them and if they don't I'm gonna be SO MAD!!!

      I really hope Maureen dies, because I adore all the characters except her, who I REALLY want to die. Alec should kill her :D or Simon, b/cause of that whole "head of the vampire clan" thing. That would be cool :D or maybe Raphael could just kill her. I like Raphael. I'm not sure why, but I really do.

      If Cass has to kill one of the main characters, I'm not sure who I would want her to kill, but I really don't want any of them to die.

      I also hope that there's something in COHF referring back to Magnus' line about being a "freewheeling bisexual" because that would just make me love him even more than I already do PLUS it would prove that Cass is a good enough author to add running jokes like that. So there. :D

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    • I dont think Malec will get back together because it was a realistic reason for them to break up they love each other but magnus cant trust alec anymore so they will probably hook up a few times but then im pretty sure Alec will die, izzy will get together with simon because they both deserve it and i think in the final battle jace will probs get injured by sebastian then clary will go to stab him but he will attempt to kill her then clarys mum will jump in and sebastian will kill her luke will kill sebastian. ITS A DARK VERSION BUT WE ALL KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE.

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    • Ok, i love that scenario. Period.

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    • I've seen an interview with Cassie and how was she talking about Magnus and Jace.. I just don't think that she could kill one of them,she really loves them. But it's hard to tell, she also said that its written about half of the book..so who knows..

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    • just finished Clockwork Princess... yeah somethings up, Brother Zachariah is Jem and he goes back to a normal guy. I'm going to scream when i get City of Heavenly Fire!!!! i have to know what happens. as for Magnus and Alec, they BETTER get back together, heck half my friends call me Magnus and if he dies i might just die!!!!

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    • MG JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

      TID sry

      I read the short story Magnus's Vow that came in my clockwork angel book

      he sees a pic of all the chars from TID, and he says that Tessa was also cursed to live forever, and also fell in love with a mortal


      With all the talk of Jem being BZ, I assume he has some immortal thing going on. So........ She chooses Will D:

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:

      She chooses Will D:

      Old news.  But you're right, whoever became Brother Zachariah, and I think everyone sort of knew it was one of them, didn't get Tessa.  So I think it was a nice twist in the epilogue, what with her ending up with Jem.

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    • Ik...............

      But i just felt the need to point out that certain detail. -blush-

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    • Don't worry about it.  I've already read CP2 twice so I keep forgetting that it was still only released two weeks ago.

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    • i cant wait to read it. only im not sure if i wiul read fallen angels en lost soals. i dont want to know what will happen with jace. the last two book before this are pretty rough on him. and i dont want to know that. but on the other hand, ill have to if i want to keep up. so i dont know. but this one i wil read. for sure. poor jace. 

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    • I think Simon will die (he's only lived this long enough because of the Mark of Cain and his friends' saving his butt) and this could piss Isabell and Clary so much they'd kill Sebastian. And even if he doesn't die, Sebastian MUST.

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    • I wonder... Jonathan will get killed or turn good( if there's a way to, of course)?

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    • Well, Cassandra Clar once told us CP2 is already printed, so, whoever is dead, is dead.

      And the ones who died were Benedict, Jessamine, Wayland, Starkweather, B. Micah, and

      a few others. Maybe except Jessamine, almost everyone didn't care for the dead. So, I think

      it's gonna happen like this in CoHF. The books aren't so... realistic.

      So, I think the ones who'll die are Maureen, Raphael, Jonathan.

      It's unlikely to happen, but I'd enjoy if the Seelie queen would die. She deserves it.

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    • 98.210.169.62 wrote:
      Jace can't die, there wouldn't be any Herondales left. Well, any Herondales I know of and are still alive. But if he must...NO HE CANNOT DIE!!! I REFUSE TO ALLOW IT!!!! Any ways, anybody read Clockwork Princess yet? I did, it was sad and EPIC. Loved the ending and how everything connects. 

      There is a chance he could impregnate Clary and then go on to die. After he dies however, Clary finds out she has a kid. Seems likely, but so unlikely.

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    • There are a few potential story arcs that could occur in CoHF. One involves the possible destruction of all of the Mortal Instruments: since it seems many Shadowhunters will be corrupted with the anti-Mortal Cup, it makes sense that Raziel decides to remove/destroy them so that they cannot be used for evil purposes again.  Or maybe they are sacrificed in order to open the gate to Heaven and summon an army of angels to help Team Good.  Another possibility involves the destruction of Idris: based on what Jem hints at in the last TID, we know something devastating happens to the Shadowhunter world, and destroying the Shadowhunter home would be a shocking blow.

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    • As for the characters themselves, there is a strong possibility Simon will die.  He has had a terrible time adjusting to his new life as a Vampire.  His personality does not lend well to the vampire lifestyle, and since Raphael has already informed him he would be hunted down if he lost the Mark of Cain, I find it hard to believe he will remain an immortal for long.  Also, something Magnus says in CoLS: “God knows we’re all drawn toward what’s beautiful and broken; I have been, but some people cannot be fixed. Or if they can be, it’s only by love and sacrifice so great it destroys the giver.” Finally, Cassandra has not spent as much time on his relationship with Isabelle as she has on Jace/Clary or Magnus/Alec.  It would be tragic but an easier death than the destruction of the 2 central love stories that have followed through all of TMI.

      (As a side note, I am very interested in seeing how the visions Clary has of Simon with crosses on his hands plays out:  what does this do to him, or what ability does it give him?)

      Jace is another option, but I am less inclined to think this will happen.  He is too beloved a character, and he has suffered too much in all of the stories so far.  It would be difficult to swallow all of the torture he has gone through in the series just to die and be denied a chance at happiness in the final book.  Clary and Jace will most likely end up together in the end, but perhaps they will have to sacrifice their extra abilities to do so?  (Plus it would be hard to kill him off since he is an important central character to the film which could affect videos sales of the movie, or movie tickets for the next film if there is one.)

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    • Another strong option would be Alec (although I would find this most distressing for a few reasons).  It could be that Alec is able to redeem himself with Magnus, and Magnus is able to finally open his heart completely to another without the drama/tragedy occurring, (maybe Alec has a conversation with James Carstairs about what it means to love someone who is immortal, and he helps Alec to change his perspective on the situation), but I doubt it. 

      Maybe Alec redeems himself in a different way: it could be he will be brought to task by the Clave for bring in a relationship with a Downworlder and chooses instead to remain loyal/be proud of his former relationship with Magnus.  It has been mentioned in previous books how it is forbidden, but their relationship has never been questioned by The Clave in TMI series.  I also find this scenario unlikely though. 

      I think it more likely Alec will sacrifice himself in some way to save Magnus, admitting to Magnus his sorrow at betraying him and how deeply he loved him in the end.  This could turn out well in that in order to save Alec, Magnus must sacrifice his immortality (although this last part is again an unlikely scenario).

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    • Magnus, along with Clary, is the least likely option in my mind since Cassandra is about to release a whole series of short stories about him which will culminate in a book next year after the release of CoHF.  Also to kill him off before the new series about the London institute descendents is released would make the books difficult to read (knowing his ultimate fate).  I like to think Cassandra will save their characters, both surviving in the end. She has invested too much time in developing their relationship to not have it be ultimately redeemed.  

      Although it may seem odd, another problem I have with the sacrifice of the Alec/Magnus relationship is that Cassandra has developed a very unique situation: a gay couple in a fantasy novel who are complex and very well loved by fans.  I have picked my brain and have not been able to come up with another gay relationship in the world of fantasy (certainly not YA fantasy) who has been as interesting or beloved as Alec and Magnus.  It would be a terrible statement if their relationship was to fail while all the others survived.  I would find it a hopeful testament however to how far our society has come, and level of respect for we have for each other and our personal choices, if the relationship can survive and even flourish in the end.

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    • My guess is that Simon will die, Alec will die and Magnus may sacrifice himself/commit suicide.

      I really don't want Magnus or Alec to die as they're my favorite pairing in the book, but as things stand I really think Alec has a good chance of getting killed off.

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    • I know Jonathan is the bad guy, but I really want him to survive, not to die, because it isn't his fault he's got demon blood, but his father's. I shouldn't, but I like him, and I hope he will become normal... somehow. I remember Azazel said something about an instrument that could make him good-natured. And, despite his problems, I find him awsome( don't hate me for this).

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    • I think that Isabelle is going to join the Iron Sisters.

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    • I reaaaally don't want anyone to die, but I think that it will be either Jace or Luke, because Jace would sacrifice him self for Clary, and Luke would do the same for both Clary AND Jocelyn. I also think it's possible that Simon will die, because again he'd sacrifice him self for Clary, and now that he's with Isabelle he's got one more girl to care about. But I really can't imagine this story without any of these characters! I haven't read Clockwork Princess yet, but I've heard that it's really heartbreaking and emotional. And if this is Cassie's way to end a book series, I guess that CoHF is going to be really heartbreaking!

      I also really hope that Will and Jace will meet each other, and that brother Zachariah will reveal his true name (don't tell me if it's Will or Jem). I am not sure if I want Sebastian/Jonathan to die, but if he survives, I think that something will happen and he won't be bad anymore.

      Of course I want Malec back,  I mean I cried so hard when they broke up! 

      I think that the epilogue is going to be a look into the future lives of the "survivors" of this book. I also hope that Clary and Jace will finally get to have sex, before Jace dies (if he dies, which I don't wish). 

      OMG I can't wait for this book to come out! I can't believe I have to wait one more year, I mean I'm not even sure if I'll still like this series until then! I only wish that something is going to happen and the book will come out sooner, like next month or a month after the movie comes out! OMG can't waaaaaait!!!!!!!!!!

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    • I love how everyone was a little concerned in some way with Clary and Jace's sex life.

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    • i find  it  just  plain  creepy  :-/

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    • Wikienthusiast wrote:

      As for the characters themselves, there is a strong possibility Simon will die.  He has had a terrible time adjusting to his new life as a Vampire.  His personality does not lend well to the vampire lifestyle, and since Raphael has already informed him he would be hunted down if he lost the Mark of Cain, I find it hard to believe he will remain an immortal for long.  Also, something Magnus says in CoLS: “God knows we’re all drawn toward what’s beautiful and broken; I have been, but some people cannot be fixed. Or if they can be, it’s only by love and sacrifice so great it destroys the giver.” Finally, Cassandra has not spent as much time on his relationship with Isabelle as she has on Jace/Clary or Magnus/Alec.  It would be tragic but an easier death than the destruction of the 2 central love stories that have followed through all of TMI.

      (As a side note, I am very interested in seeing how the visions Clary has of Simon with crosses on his hands plays out:  what does this do to him, or what ability does it give him?)

      Jace is another option, but I am less inclined to think this will happen.  He is too beloved a character, and he has suffered too much in all of the stories so far.  It would be difficult to swallow all of the torture he has gone through in the series just to die and be denied a chance at happiness in the final book.  Clary and Jace will most likely end up together in the end, but perhaps they will have to sacrifice their extra abilities to do so?  (Plus it would be hard to kill him off since he is an important central character to the film which could affect videos sales of the movie, or movie tickets for the next film if there is one.)

      If Cassandra DID kill one of the two most well-loved couples, she wouldn't be surprised if loads of fangirls are on her doorstep. But I see your point if it's Simon, he could have died in CoFA, but he didn't, because he had the Mark. Now he no longer has it, he's vulnerable. He doesn't know how to fight, and I'm sure nobody had the chance to do it.

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    • By the Angel, you're so dramatic... I really understand you worry about Clace, Malec, Sizzy and the others, but you need to chil. Else you're getting yourselves driven mad. Don't think I have not emotions, or I can't feel, but it's just... well, relax, anyway. Life doesn't end here.

      The ones who read CP2 said it was pretty emotional. Do you think CoHF's gonna be more of that, by having the most of the main protagonists killed? (That would be dramatic, honestly).

      PS, sorry for my bad english, I know it's awful.

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    • Please, youe english is better then most who talk nowadays :P

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    • Simon is already dead.... aka Vampire

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    • They have a point ^

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    • Honestly, I think Jace will die, but then he'll become a vampire of a Silent Brother like Jem did. Because as it said in the plot for TDA, Emma wants to be like Jace was. So he either dies or becomes a brother or a vampire. As for Malec, Sizzy, and the others, I think Magnus will die and so Alec tries to get himself killed. I also think that Simon dies, but Isabelle lives her life for him. I think Jonathan is the one that kills Jace, and so Clary kills Jonathan to avenge her love. I hate, hate, hate to think about any of our favorite characters dying, but this seems very probable. By the Angel I can not wait for this book to come out! My mind is going to fry out thinking of all of these possibilites!

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    • oh my god i´m gonna DIE when Jace dies ;((

      Love him and Clary as a couple so much. It would be heartbreaking :OO

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    • Jace wouldn't become a vampire. He would rather die than become one of the living dead. Being a Shadowhunter's everything to him(besides Clary and his family).

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    • 100gamesvictor wrote:
      Jace wouldn't become a vampire. He would rather die than become one of the living dead. Being a Shadowhunter's everything to him(besides Clary and his family).


      Agree.  However there is a strong chance he might not make it through the next book alive.  He has too much power coursing through his body right now to be able to have a normal life.  Unless he is able to channel it into others (either to kill Sebastian or to save the turned Nephilim), he may have to sacrifice himself in the end.

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    • its so sad they are so young and yet they do a great deed of sacrificing themselves for the good of others, cassandra claire is a beautiful writter and talented and when the final book comes out I shall read it and cry at all the losses however we should not focus on those who will die but the moments the characters, family and couples get with each other before the finally battle :) 

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    • Pretty much what every fan determined is she's gonna pull a HP and the deathly hallows, and kill all of our fav characters.

      Why Cassie. Why.

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    • Cassie mentioned in one of her interviews about the dark artifices sayin jace and clary will have a short story about their life after the big war so sorry to burst ur bubble  but jace and clary will be alive but cant say the same for others

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    • 78.151.149.200 wrote:
      Cassie mentioned in one of her interviews about the dark artifices sayin jace and clary will have a short story about their life after the big war so sorry to burst ur bubble  but jace and clary will be alive but cant say the same for others


      She has also mentioned a marriage between Alec and Magnus may be possible in the future, although not by the end of CoHF.

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    • It's very likely that Jace will die- as everybody says, but do you think that Cassie would write something so obvious? There is gonna by something more, something unexpected,surprising.. so I think Jace will NOT die, at least not forever (well, I hope :) and I also think that Magnus will not die, I'm pretty sure about it (don't know why :D ) But who knows...

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    • If Jace dies it's going to be the end of the Herondales (well aside from Tessa and Amatis)and I don't want that to happen

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    • RoganTynkaGeceDeucina wrote:
      If Jace dies it's going to be the end of the Herondales (well aside from Tessa and Amatis)and I don't want that to happen


      Not necessarily. We do not know how many decendents there are on the Blackwell line.  Could the next series explore this family connection?

      Also, Cassandra is writing for young adults so I do not believe the book will be too tragic.  Most of the well-loved main characters will probably survive. 

      As i said in another post, we cannot be sure what is really and what is misdirect.  Could some of the spoilers she has let drop be part of a character's dream?  Could she be trying to keep her fans guessing?

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    • One possibility is that Idris will be destroyed, something will happen that could kill all the Shadowhunters there. Or maybe they could be sarificed, Samael is the Archangel of Death, summoning such a powerful Prince of Hell back from desintegration will require mass genocide.

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    • She wont destroy Idris, i would assume whats her face would go there in TDA

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    • Maybe ravage then, nothing like a good rape and raid to keep an evil army's moral up. Maybe little Lilith wants grandkidies already, she doesn't have forever... or maybe she does.

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      She wont destroy Idris, i would assume whats her face would go there in TDA

      No, I can agree with Blaid on this:  the destruction of Idris is a good possibility.  It would be enough to bring Samael back if that is indeed the plan.  Also, if Samael returns, we would see a host from heaven coming in to help save the day.  Out intrepid heoes would not be up to the task of handling him on their own. 

      I believe we will see the destruction of the mortal instruments in the end at the very least.  And maybe a new alliance forming of equal parts shadowhunters/werewolves/fey/warlocks/vampires?  More so than what is currently established that is.

      In the end if they kill off Maryse and Robert, I would like to see Luke and/or Jocelyn take over the NY Institute since the kids are still too young for this responsibility.  Although Luke is a werewolf, if there is a new world order established and the clave offers more equality within their ranks to downworlders, I think he would be great at leading NY.

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    • Actually, I think it would be comical if Samael appears and picks up the Mortal Sword and goes: "thank you for taking care of my Archangel blade for me, it has been too long since it last tasted the blood of Angels and Mortals."

      I can see that happening, the Mortal Sword being Samael's Sword, I mean... what Angel would willingly give such a powerful weapon away without some price? Yet remember, that it and the Cup were given to the Nephilim with seeminly no price, yet the Mark of Cain was the Price for Michael's Sword. 

      Hey, for all we know, they want Samael to rise. Angels are like that, they are vicious (pardon my french) cunts, when they have a plan they don't care who goes down for it to succeed. 

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    • i hope they find a way to turn all dark shadow hunters back to normal, mainly amatis, if shes still alive that is.

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    • Unlikely, they have drank Demon blood and lost everything that made them human, mainly their emotions and humanity. They are damned now, like with Jonathan, there is no going back now for them.

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    • Blaid wrote:
      Unlikely, they have drank Demon blood and lost everything that made them human, mainly their emotions and humanity. They are damned now, like with Jonathan, there is no going back now for them.

      Well im hoping they'll find a way, i mean if you look at starcraft, they thought kinda the same with Kerrigan when she became the Queen of Blades, so im just gonna hope they can do something to reverse the process

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    • Well think about this people this is a book not a horror story/movie where the main character dies! Jace is everyones love and Cassies baby you think she would kill him off?! Duh! no! she would hate that as much as us and in my past expreiences the love birds never die. It just won't do... I think the obvious thing here that we can all probably agree on is that Sebastian/ Johnathan dies b/c hes the villian- it doesnt get much clearer than that. But the question is who of major importance and good-ness (?) dies? I personally don't think its Simon like hasnt Izzy gone through enough? That would be all levels of cruel even for a writer  so my best guess would be either Maia or Jordan. Their both fierce fighters and would probably risk their lives for eachother in battle- which is most likely how they will die. Plus, their not as important as Clary, Jace, Isabelle, Alec, Simon, or Magnus so it makes sence.

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    • MajorFoley1 wrote:
      Blaid wrote:
      Unlikely, they have drank Demon blood and lost everything that made them human, mainly their emotions and humanity. They are damned now, like with Jonathan, there is no going back now for them.
      Well im hoping they'll find a way, i mean if you look at starcraft, they thought kinda the same with Kerrigan when she became the Queen of Blades, so im just gonna hope they can do something to reverse the process

      Except that Liltih's Demon blood tore away Jonathan's soul, which is why his eyes were dark tunnels when he was born. The same thing has happened to the other Dark Shadowhunters now, they are nothing more than infiltrator Demons now, hollowed out of Human emotion and filled with calculated and vicious cruetly.

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    • You don't need emotions to be cruel, just intent and instinct.

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    • Blaid wrote:
      You don't need emotions to be cruel, just intent and instinct.

      well im still gonna hope...

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    • MajorFoley1 wrote:
      Blaid wrote:
      You don't need emotions to be cruel, just intent and instinct.
      well im still gonna hope...

      Go ahead, it will just lead to disapointment.

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    • MajorFoley1 wrote:
      i hope they find a way to turn all dark shadow hunters back to normal, mainly amatis, if shes still alive that is.


      I think there is a good chance that they can at least be turned into Mundanes and purged of the evil taint.  Like someone else in this post said: this is not a horror story.  It may not end on a happy note (since we know at least one main character will die), however it will end on a hopeful one.  At the end of Clockwork Princess, Jem hints at the changes being sad but extraordinary.  This leads me to belive that although there will be tragedy, in the end the shadowhunter world will be better for it. 

      Plus, this is a young adult book, so most of the characters should survive. 

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    • Wikienthusiast wrote:

      Plus, this is a young adult book, so most of the characters should survive. 

      HP were also Young adult books, she killed off half the cast :-/

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      Wikienthusiast wrote:

      Plus, this is a young adult book, so most of the characters should survive. 

      HP were also Young adult books, she killed off half the cast :-/

      Exactly. Additionally, some people on here are starting to sound like a broken record. They keep repeating what they want over and over again, its almost like they are posting the same conversation and changing the words!

      Additionally, the New Jedi Order was a young Adult Book, the Yuuzhan Vong genocided characters left and right!

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    • Blaid wrote:
      Black Angel BR wrote:
      Wikienthusiast wrote:

      Plus, this is a young adult book, so most of the characters should survive. 

      HP were also Young adult books, she killed off half the cast :-/
      Exactly. Additionally, some people on here are starting to sound like a broken record. They keep repeating what they want over and over again, its almost like they are posting the same conversation and changing the words!

      Additionally, the New Jedi Order was a young Adult Book, the Yuuzhan Vong genocided characters left and right!

      All true!

      I miss Sirius and Dumbledore........

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    • Blaid wrote:

      Exactly. Additionally, some people on here are starting to sound like a broken record. They keep repeating what they want over and over again, its almost like they are posting the same conversation and changing the words!

      Wow, you're right, you are sounding like a broken record.  Attacting anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions is a shame because you make others uncomfortable with your snark.  Everyone who does not agre with you is not wrong, they just have a different opinion from yours. 

      It's ok not to agree with you, and it will continue to happen.  Just try to respond in a more mature and objective manner and leave the snarky comments out.

      Thanks. 

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      Wikienthusiast wrote:

      Plus, this is a young adult book, so most of the characters should survive. 

      HP were also Young adult books, she killed off half the cast :-/

      Yes,  J. K. Rowling killed off a few, but many survived including the core three protagonists.  Also, Clockwork Princess could have ended very differently, yet she chose to keep all but one of the main cast alive.  TMI first trilogy was the same, she kept all the main characters alive but Valentine.  Given her track record so far, there is a great possibility most will survive.  Keep the faith!

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    • Wikienthusiast wrote:
      Blaid wrote:

      Exactly. Additionally, some people on here are starting to sound like a broken record. They keep repeating what they want over and over again, its almost like they are posting the same conversation and changing the words!

      Wow, you're right, you are sounding like a broken record.  Attacting anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions is a shame because you make others uncomfortable with your snark.  Everyone who does not agre with you is not wrong, they just have a different opinion from yours. 

      It's ok not to agree with you, and it will continue to happen.  Just try to respond in a more mature and objective manner and leave the snarky comments out.

      Thanks. 

      Okay, calm down, it's a thread about a book series.

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:

      Okay, calm down, it's a thread about a book series.

      Agreed.  It should be a discussion board, not a snark fest.

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    • Are you people still talking about the way I spoke on here. I got bored ages ago and yet you are all finding the energy to continue. Sad.

      I speak only from a perspective of common sense, every point I have made is the undeniable truth: Jonathan can't come to the Good side, those with Demon relations or blood are damned to hell, those Humans who commit themselves to Lilith - whether by genuin loyalty or persuasion - by God's law are no longer human or have a good soul. The fact that they could not use Seraph Blades proves as much.  

      I am not snarky nor a record, I am correcting your intellectual mistakes, I am a realist well diverged in both religion and mythology.

      I am impassive and uncaring, Jace and Clary could die for all I care, already the fact they are born with angelic abilities is a sin against them. Technically Jace also came back from the dead, at the urging of Clary, that is another strike against their name. The natural order, e.g. dominion over life and death or the flow of time and space, can not be allowed into the hands of children. It is degrading, and there will be consequences.

      That one act, has brought them to this point, they will therefore either lose everything they care for or die in retribution. The Law of Heaven would demand as such, God would weave such, Karma will catch up with them and the price will be paid - one way or another.

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    • Okay, seriously, you're bringing religion into this?

      I find it ironic you had the energy to complain about us having the energy.

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    • Hello? Angels, Demons, Nephilim? A Shadowhunter's life IS religion. Lucifer is the Devil, Lilith was the first human sin personified. Samael is the deciever, seducer and destroyer. Common sense here. 

      And I find it ironic that I don't care. To waste energy requires a person to care, I don't. I'm impassive. If Jace and Clary die, if all of them die, then I shrug. Why should I care?

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    • If you dont care, please stop posting here instead of bagging on the books we all love

      Thank you, have a good day :3

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    • Sadly not, given my experience as an Administrator on past Wikis, I cannot allow decadence to befall any part of the Wiki. If it is not perfect, it should be deleted or corrected, and it seems the law even on a chat needs adaquate correcting. 

      I must do my duty, doesn't mean that I have to be emotionally connected to it or care for it.

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    • Doesnt mean you have to trash talk it and bring the rest of us down :-\

      We're excited for the book, i wont apologize for it

      Wont respond to your response that is if you respond

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    • Which isn't out for another year, have whatever conversations you want to have without my complaints, have it then. 

      I will take what is written in that book as canon, until then every word spoken on this chat is... trash, even my own. A waste of energy or resources, if you have such marvelous ideas then go and write about them. It is the entire purpose of fanfictions, to express those ideas, so go and express them.

      It is sad that you would spend your life talking rather than doing more productive things, like making a living. 

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    • As much as I hate to say it, it would be too much sense to have Sebastian/Johnathan die at the end. Clary's probably going to end up dying. What if a majority of them die, like all but three? It's interesting though that the Dark Artifices takes place in Los Angeles, yet Emma knows and aspires to be like Jace Lightwood? It's five years later and on the other side of the country, how does she know about him? Plus, its only five years later and she's got to be a teenager, so she's not a daughter of Clary and Jace or the others. There's got to be a REALLY REALLY obvious answer hidden very cleverly in plain sight, Steven Moffat-style. It'll be incredibly, brilliantly clever, and once we've read it, we'll be seriously upset we didn't guess it sooner.

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    • Exactly! Finally, someone with common sense!!

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    • True true.

      I'm not sure what characters will die, i'm just pretty sure a couple major ones will (im actually hoping Isabelle........sry, out of the major chars i like her the least) Simon i feel will die, Probably Jocelyn or Luke, and like WC said, it'd be too plain to have sebastian die

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    • Is it possible for Jace to turn into a downworlder, end his life as a shadowhunter? The dorothea's tea cup reading about Jace fall in love with a wrong person is still bothering me.  Maybe he will become immortal and still love Clary, who is a mortal. 

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    • Is it just me or does it seem like Jace will die - I don't want him too but in The Dark Artifices only 5 years later it says Emma Carstairs is the best fighter 'since' Jace Lightwood - does that not seem like odd wording if Jace is still alive then?

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    • o_O I never actually realized that

      and I only knewher name was Emma so the fact her name is Carstairs just got me alot more excited for that series

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    • Jace has to die if Sebastian is going to die. Remember when Lillith kept going on and on about balance in magic? The only reason Sebby could come back to life is because Jace did first. It's like mutipling fractions, you know? Whatever you do to the numerator you have to do to the denominator. When Light rises, Dark has to rise too. I'm not saying Jace is going to die, there's no telling how it will play out, but if they want Sebby to die Jace has to die too. They can't go around disrupting the balance of the universe. Tch, teenagers.

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    • Exactly! I've been saying this all along!

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    • Has a point

      And im sure Clare realizes that, and like WC said itd be to plain for Sebby (love that name btw) to die, so i think shes gonna pull a big twist

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    • Except that Archangel Michael will be after Jace as well. Jace has Holy fire - a weapon only gifted to the highest of the Heavenly Host, he kinda needs to die for that Holy fire to return to its Master, and while Angels can be... convinced to share, Archangels don't.

      They are Heaven's most terrifying weapons, leaders of the Heavenly Host, it is their way or you being splattered to every corner of reality. The power and Wrath of an Archangel cannot be understood nor undermined, you wrong them and they won't ask the reason why, they'd just smite you.

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    • And it is very likely that Sebastian has bound the Dark Shadowhunters to him, quite like Lucifer did with Demonkind, they would need to kill them all to make the master weaker and killable.

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    • 24.234.100.221 wrote:
      Jace has to die if Sebastian is going to die. Remember when Lillith kept going on and on about balance in magic? The only reason Sebby could come back to life is because Jace did first. It's like mutipling fractions, you know? Whatever you do to the numerator you have to do to the denominator. When Light rises, Dark has to rise too. I'm not saying Jace is going to die, there's no telling how it will play out, but if they want Sebby to die Jace has to die too. They can't go around disrupting the balance of the universe. Tch, teenagers.

      Good pointsa from WC and Black Angel both.  Jace is a very likely casualty at the end.  With 6 potential deaths coming, one has to be either Simon, Clary or Jace.


      What do the two of you think the big change will be that Jem hints at at the end of CWP?

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    • Wikienthusiast wrote:
      24.234.100.221 wrote:
      Jace has to die if Sebastian is going to die. Remember when Lillith kept going on and on about balance in magic? The only reason Sebby could come back to life is because Jace did first. It's like mutipling fractions, you know? Whatever you do to the numerator you have to do to the denominator. When Light rises, Dark has to rise too. I'm not saying Jace is going to die, there's no telling how it will play out, but if they want Sebby to die Jace has to die too. They can't go around disrupting the balance of the universe. Tch, teenagers.
      Good pointsa from WC and Black Angel both.  Jace is a very likely casualty at the end.  With 6 potential deaths coming, one has to be either Simon, Clary or Jace.


      What do the two of you think the big change will be that Jem hints at at the end of CWP?

      What's CWP?

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    • 94.64.147.229 wrote:

      What's CWP?

      Clockwork Prince

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    • Been a while since I read the books - how does Jace have heavenly fire? And I know Jem seems to think some great evil and change is coming in CWP, but people seem to be reading an awful lot into that - maybe it just means Sebastian and Lilith?

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    • First of all, Jace gets Heavenly Fire (apparently) when he is stabbed by "Glorious", the Sword of Archangel Michael. It seems plausible that he has it, because our favourite Lupus is trying to help him control something...

      And the time that Jem is returned to human, is after the events of Heavenly Fire. 

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    • I really hope that Clary gets proper marks and learns to fight properly - we haven't had any proper fighting etc.. from her and I'd love for her to be a 'full' shadowhunter with all their marks in this one :)

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    • I know this isn't that big of a deal but i would like to just point out something i ame across after reading the summary of Heavenly Fire: 

      ERCHOMAI, SEBASTIAN HAD SAID.

      I am coming.

      Darkness returns to the Shadowhunter world. As their society falls apart around them, Clary, Jace, Simon and their friends must band together to fight the greatest evil the Nephilim have ever faced: Clary’s own brother. Nothing in the world can defeat him — must they journey to another world to find the chance? Lives will be lost, love sacrificed, and the whole world changed in the sixth and last installment of the Mortal Instruments series! 


      AND After reading this I was reading some of the Extras and deleted scenesand came across this scene where its Jace's POV of clary and his first kiss and found this:

      "...All Shadowhunters have a witchlight rune-stone. It will bring you light even among the darkest shadows of this world and others.”

      They were the same words his father had spoken to him, upon giving him his first runestone. 


      I TOTALLY think this has something to do with Heavenly Fire! who knows, maybe it will save a life:D

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    • 80.7.141.43 wrote:
      i know that only one lightwood survives

      Can you post where you found this info? 

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    • 80.7.141.43 wrote:
      i know that only one lightwood survives, which one i dont know but i have a feeling it would be Alec and that would mean the lightwoods would die out because there is no one left to carry out the name and sebastion is probably going to kill jace and clary is going to kill Sebastion

      i am currently writing a fan fiction about Malec if you would like to read it the link is http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9255725/1/Loved-Ones  

      enjoy x

      Very probable, the Sebastian killing Jace thing, then someone else will inherit leadership of the Dark Shadowhunters and/or the Infernal Cup. 

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    • I would just like to point out that Jace has heavenly fire and he and Sebastian are connected so wouldn't that means that Sebastain has heavenly fire too?

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    • 75.139.135.85 wrote:
      I would just like to point out that Jace has heavenly fire and he and Sebastian are connected so wouldn't that means that Sebastain has heavenly fire too?


      At the end of CoLS, they were no longer connected.

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    • For people who dont want spoilers past TID book 1 (forget the name) dont read this, and I havent read past the first book but have been spoiled throughly so if this info is wrong im sorry


      I know he could be the descendant of Will's sister, but if Jace is the descendant of Will I would guess that he had a kid with Tessa. Is it possible that Tessa and Will could be Jace's great great xa couple more greats grandparents instead of aunt and uncle? If that's so wouldn't Jace inherited immortality from Tessa?

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    • Isabelle is going to join the Iron Sisters!  I really think it's going to happen.

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      For people who dont want spoilers past TID book 1 (forget the name) dont read this, and I havent read past the first book but have been spoiled throughly so if this info is wrong im sorry


      I know he could be the descendant of Will's sister, but if Jace is the descendant of Will I would guess that he had a kid with Tessa. Is it possible that Tessa and Will could be Jace's great great xa couple more greats grandparents instead of aunt and uncle? If that's so wouldn't Jace inherited immortality from Tessa?

      Immortality is a trait for those with Demon blood, Jace has had generations of Angel blood dilution which is dominant. So... no.

      Besides, just because one is Immortal doesn't mean once can live forever, just means that age won't cause their death.

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    • Don't know if it's already been suggested but maybe Jace manages to channel the 'heavenly fire' into Sebastian somehow, and maybe that makes him good? I don't think CC will kill off Clace but she will probably make them make sacrifices - maybe they will both become human or just lose their special abilities. I know people say Jace would rather die than be human - but Clary is everything to him so if being human was the only option to be with her...? I agree that Malec will probably get back together - but that might be made sad if Alec or Magnus sacrificed themself for the other. Sizzy seems quite likely to be broken up - maybe Simon dies or something/Izzy has to join Iron Sisters or something. Again, Luke does seem potentially killable, or Jocelyn. I think either would die for the other and for Clary - maybe they'll die together? This is turning into really miserable speculation...

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    • Teaser #10

      “Okayyyyy,” Isabelle said in a low voice, “When did Brother Zachariah get hot?”

      New teaser guys!!! Ahhhhh, can't wait! :D

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    • 86.137.17.109 wrote:
      Don't know if it's already been suggested but maybe Jace manages to channel the 'heavenly fire' into Sebastian somehow, and maybe that makes him good?

      I don't think CC will kill off Clace but she will probably make them make sacrifices - maybe they will both become human or just lose their special abilities. I know people say Jace would rather die than be human - but Clary is everything to him so if being human was the only option to be with her...? I agree that Malec will probably get back together - but that might be made sad if Alec or Magnus sacrificed themself for the other. Sizzy seems quite likely to be broken up - maybe Simon dies or something/Izzy has to join Iron Sisters or something. Again, Luke does seem potentially killable, or Jocelyn. I think either would die for the other and for Clary - maybe they'll die together? This is turning into really miserable speculation...

      I agree, it is rather miserable. And as facinating as the stereotypical fan-girl-ism is, I'd prefer to wait and enjoy the book rather than hear a billion teasers and "can't waits". 

      I prefer full facts, not half-witted ideas that trip over each others.

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    • Blaid wrote:

      And as facinating as the stereotypical fan-girl-ism is, I'd prefer to wait and enjoy the book rather than hear a billion teasers and "can't waits".

      Haha, I honestly agree. I hate reading (and watching) teasers because I find myself unable to fully decide how I feel about certain parts given to us in pieces. But yeah, here, with my need to constantly update myself to efficiently update the wiki, I have found that it is inevitable. Sigh.

      This teaser (#10) though, about Brother Zachariah, had me more excited than all the other CoHF teasers I've ever read, and it was just now that I realized that it has been way too long since the last book haha :P

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    • 86.137.17.109 wrote:
      Don't know if it's already been suggested but maybe Jace manages to channel the 'heavenly fire' into Sebastian somehow, and maybe that makes him good?

      I don't think CC will kill off Clace but she will probably make them make sacrifices - maybe they will both become human or just lose their special abilities. I know people say Jace would rather die than be human - but Clary is everything to him so if being human was the only option to be with her...? I agree that Malec will probably get back together - but that might be made sad if Alec or Magnus sacrificed themself for the other. Sizzy seems quite likely to be broken up - maybe Simon dies or something/Izzy has to join Iron Sisters or something. Again, Luke does seem potentially killable, or Jocelyn. I think either would die for the other and for Clary - maybe they'll die together? This is turning into really miserable speculation...


      Agreed, the speculation on who she will kill off can be a letdown.  But don't loose all hope.  Since it is a young adult book, it will not end too badly despite what others might imply.  It has not been her MO so far.

      I too think it likely that she will not kill off Clace or Malec.  Sizzy does not seem destined to survive given how little focus CC has them through all six books.  And yes, some supportive characters may be sacrificed to save the primary ones.  I wouldn't bank on the Luke or Jocelyn deaths yet though.  Since this is fiction and CC doesn't want to alienate her fans, expect most characters to survive.

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    • I have the most horrible, feeling that Alec and Jace are going to die. Jace has cheated death far too many times now and we all know it, I don't know how and I don't really want to but I'm pretty sure he's going to. And then that leaves our darling little Alexander, all alone without his Parabatai and without Magnus, Izzy joining the Iron Sisters...  I have the worst feeling that he'd commit suicide. And wouldn't it just be the most horrifically tragic thing if Magnus was left wandering the world for the rest of eternity without Alec? Or of course, he could try and then Magnus swoops in and they kiss and cuddle and cry while all of our hearts break into a million pieces.

      I'm sorry I'm hurting my own feels. I'm going to stop now.

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    • If Cassandra Clare wants to put thousands of fangirls into a coma full of depression, she'll kill Jace. But I personally think she'll kill off some one not as improtant such as Jocelyn, Luke, Simon, or Magnus. Maybe Alec. I know that if jace dies I will sob until I can't sob anymore and then I'll reread the book and then sob some more and go into a stage of madness. I'm so excited for what she has planned for our hearts to take on but also relieved that its still a long wait. Gosh I'm getting teary at the thought of Jace dieng and then Clary and everyone's devastation. Gosh. 😓😥😪😞😣

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    • Clace or Malec. I think only one of the two is going to survive. (I really hope not T_T though )

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    • After reading the ending for CP2, I'm sure that CC won't kill of a main character, I mean she didn't kill of anyone important in TID, she made sure they all had happy endings (well those who deserved them anyway). I don't think she would kill Jace, Clary, Alec, Magnus, Simon or Izzy....I hope not anayway.

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    • People die, get over it. Will died, how long did it take for all of you to get over that!? The book isn't even out yet and you're already sheding animated tears. You are all very sad, boring people. 

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    • Then why exactly are you bothering to answer this thread?

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    • Because this is a discussion thread, not a therapy lounge nor a place to share one's emotional instability, this is a book where people fight and risk death and you degrade them. They don't want your emotions, they want you to respect them as warriors, and I do respect that which they do - their never ending fight.

      But to get so emotional attached as to cry over them? They are not real, it is degrading, I admit while reading the books I get excited and entranced but before the book even comes out? What a waste of energy. 

      And Black Angel, I don't answer to you, and henceforth in this discussion I shan't answer any of your questions. Like my emotions, discussing anything with you, is a waste of my time and energy. I don't give a shit if you like me here or not, I don't care about your opinion, just gonna state that now in case you haven't been getting the hint. 

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    • Blaid wrote:
      People die, get over it. Will died, how long did it take for all of you to get over that!? The book isn't even out yet and you're already sheding animated tears. You are all very sad, boring people. 


      How rude!  Since the only reason you respond is to insult those who want to be here, stop posting. 

      Insulting us for enjoying the books and wanting to discuss them shows how sad you are, not the other way around.

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    • Wrong, I'm insulting how pathetically emotionally attached your getting! It is so funny, that its sad. Guess what, they are all going to grow old and die even if they do survive, there is nothing you can do about it, why bother caring especially when the book hasn't come out?

      It is sad to waste energy being emotional about that which hasn't happened, so go about your lives with the energy you are not wasting, next you'll be crying about it not happening yet while going about your various jobs. I was raised in military discipline, what you are getting emotional over, I don't bat an eyelid at it. I have seen death, I have seen members of my family die, I emotionally don't care about this sick world or any of you. So forgive me if I don't give an inch of caring about any of your petty feelings.

      Now... are you going to go back to discussing things, actual events maybe, rather than the deaths that will cause another water works. Hmm?

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    • This IS a thread about what will happen in the book, it isn't a thread about who will be decapitated in the book. You've repeated Jonathan getting purified and who is going to die more than once on here, get over it already! I hate people repeating themselves like their incompetent or something!!

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    • Blaid wrote:
      Wrong, I'm insulting how pathetically emotionally attached your getting! It is so funny, that its sad. Guess what, they are all going to grow old and die even if they do survive, there is nothing you can do about it, why bother caring especially when the book hasn't come out?

      It is sad to waste energy being emotional about that which hasn't happened, so go about your lives with the energy you are not wasting, next you'll be crying about it not happening yet while going about your various jobs. I was raised in military discipline, what you are getting emotional over, I don't bat an eyelid at it. I have seen death, I have seen members of my family die, I emotionally don't care about this sick world or any of you. So forgive me if I don't give an inch of caring about any of your petty feelings.

      Now... are you going to go back to discussing things, actual events maybe, rather than the deaths that will cause another water works. Hmm?

      You're incapable of discussing anything in an adult manner as you repeatedly display.  You constantly input insults or degrading comments into your answers (which requires an emotional component -  by bothering to respond, you display your distain for those who either do not agree, or show any pleasure or sadness over the possibilities we discuss).  So your BS about how you look down on others who are emotional is laughable.  If it was really something that didn't bother you, you would ignore it or at least not respond to those posts.  Very sad showing your emotional immaturity that way.  I truly feel sorry for you. 

      We will get back to speculating on the fiction works of Cassandra Clare (since you seem to have some strange illusion that the books are real and therefore factual based on your constant reference to what is fact vs. what is not), but you should find another Wiki page to dump your negative/abusive comments on.  

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    • I'm not asking you to behave Blaid, im asking you to take your crap somewhere else because we'd actually like to enjoy this thread. If you dont care about the books then go, and stop bringing us all down. We like the books and care about the characters, otherwise we wouldn't be reading them.

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    • An impressive dialogue, give this freaky creature a clap. And now, lets more on. 

      I never said the books were real, I said that my family has military history - e.g. every generation a number of us fight in the army, we are British and proud of our military history. You armies may be bigger, but ours is better. 

      This new book hasn't come out yet, and yet you are getting emotional over it, its a waste. 

      No, if it did bother me I would head back to my fellow Admins in Wikia and have the discussion thread deleted, those who vandalize in retribution would be blocked. This would be what I would do if I cared, truly. 

      And Wikienthsiast, your opinion on my maturity is negleactable, you are free to have your opinions about people I don't care either way. Can't get blood out of a rock. 

      Human life is trash to me, you are all a name and a number, use as much passion as you want you will all die eventually. Your favourite characters, bar those confirmed Immortal, follow that same principle as they were designed as such.

      If one of you was bleeding out on the road, I would shrug and step over you, your lives are not worth wasting my time with. Each of us lives on borrowed time, I will use mine efficently and effectively, deaths mean nothing to me - just another part of the chain. This world isn't worth caring about, nor are the humans living on it, if there is a Devil I wish he'd get around to killing everyone already.

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      I'm not asking you to behave Blaid, im asking you to take your crap somewhere else because we'd actually like to enjoy this thread. If you dont care about the books then go, and stop bringing us all down. We like the books and care about the characters, otherwise we wouldn't be reading them.

      And I am asking you all to stop wasting time and resources, concentrate on a valid and logical discussion, emotion is fine so long as you're not a sobbing group of people repeating yourself into a degenerate state. 

      There is a likely chance that some of the main characters will die, all of them may die, it certainly points to Jace dying. You won't know until the book comes out, get emotional then, look to the future not the past!

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    • Blaid wrote:
      Black Angel BR wrote:
      I'm not asking you to behave Blaid, im asking you to take your crap somewhere else because we'd actually like to enjoy this thread. If you dont care about the books then go, and stop bringing us all down. We like the books and care about the characters, otherwise we wouldn't be reading them.
      And I am asking you all to stop wasting time and resources, concentrate on a valid and logical discussion, emotion is fine so long as you're not a sobbing group of people repeating yourself into a degenerate state. 

      There is a likely chance that some of the main characters will die, all of them may die, it certainly points to Jace dying. You won't know until the book comes out, get emotional then, look to the future not the past!

      Then stop attacking us for having thoughts or feelings on it that disagree with yours.  If you don't care, then don't respond.  Stop acting like a pouty child because no one will play the way you demand, and go elsewhere.

      Stop wasting our time and resources having to read your immature, trashy comments.  They bring nothing to the table that improves or furthers the discussion. 

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    • Blaid sounds petty and a lot like a bully, so ignore his posts.  You can continue to discuss this topic without acknowledging his comments.  Talk around him as if he wasn't there, and like all bullies, he will eventually go elsewhere.

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    • You only have 77 edits on this Wiki and I have a hundred and a half, all your edits were on Threads instead of benefiting the wiki. In sublime contrast, given this is a Wiki Thread for Wiki paticipants, it is more likely though calculated point that it is you that is unwelcome Wikienthusiast. 

      So, in addition to not caring about what you have to say Wikienthusiast, you words hold no meaning to me. You are just foolishly arrogant, on a Wiki in which you have contributed nothing therefore in a logical sense your words hold no weight and therefore are... nothing.

      I have gone my life not caring about anyone's opinion but my own, faith and trust are worthless to someone who has been betrayed, so... why should I care.

      I'm not a "pouty child" as you so arrogantly put it, I simple don't care, I have not cared for the longest of times. I don't feel anything, to be "pouty" one has to feel loss, I didn't even feel sad when my grandfather died. If I can't feel sad at the loss of family, give me one logical point where I would feel emotion at any of your words? 

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    • 67.242.202.6 wrote:
      Blaid sounds petty and a lot like a bully, so ignore his posts.  You can continue to discuss this topic without acknowledging his comments.  Talk around him as if he wasn't there, and like all bullies, he will eventually go elsewhere.

      Petty and like a bully? Oh no, if I was that I would have had a tantrum and deleted the entire Thread. I do have resources on hand, should I chose to use them. Is that what you're saying? That I should resort to barbarian actions?

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    • Are you freaking serious? We dont care if you were military raised, we dont currently care about your morals. We came here to discuss the book, socialize and get excited about it. Stop wasting your time on this dang thread if you dont care about it. We're not bleeding on the road, so wait 'til then to insult us, we haven't done anything to you.  Just go and stop bringing us all down, you dont HAVE to be here, we just  want to get excited about the books, and yes we're afraid that the characters are gonna die bc we care about the characters

      And no, I dont have any edits on the wiki, but I'm a writer and have alot of things on my plate, help keep a different wiki together, and am trying to help build up another, so I don't particuarly have the time to edit here as much as I would like to.

      Now, can we please get back to actually talking about the book, and just ignore this idiot?

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    • Black Angel BR wrote:
      Are you freaking serious? We dont care if you were military raised, we dont currently care about your morals. We came here to discuss the book, socialize and get excited about it. Stop wasting your time on this dang thread if you dont care about it. We're not bleeding on the road, so wait 'til then to insult us, we haven't done anything to you.  Just go and stop bringing us all down, you dont HAVE to be here, we just  want to get excited about the books, and yes we're afraid that the characters are gonna die bc we care about the characters.

      Now, can we please get back to actually talking about the book, and just ignore this idiot?

      ^ Agree, let's ignore him and go back to the topic at hand.

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    • Oh, I've insulted no one, I am simply stating how things are. It is your fault if you take offense to the truth, it is your fault if you are stupid enough to be that weak.

      Point 1 - I have been stating how pathetic it is for all this emotion and depression over hints of someone dying in the book, the book isn't even out, its pathetic making repeating conjecture and getting emotional over it when there is no evidence of everything. Next month we'll have Wiki funerals for no reason. As you insinuated before in my realism, why care about something that isn't real? It is sad and too great a weakness.

      Point 2 - I insisted that this Thread should stop repeating information and get back into a decent conversation, each time you say your opinion you are like stupid children, about a week later you repeat yourself with different wording .

      Point 3 - I warned you that administration will see their repetenance as untidyness and wasteful irrelevance, people who visit can see this chat and the mess it makes.

      This wiki is designed for the purpose of collecting canon information, not conjecture, the purpose of Threads are to aid actual contributors of the Wiki in day-to-day activity and discussions on the betterment of the Wiki itself.

      Here is an alternative, go to this site (http://webchat.freenode.net/) and type your chosen name and the side code (#shadowhunter), there you can converse about anything without messing up the Wiki further. 

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    • Blaid, may I know what you meant by this? :)

      Blaid wrote:

      (..) I would have had a tantrum and deleted the entire Thread. I do have resources on hand, should I chose to use them.

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    • I have been aiding support, hence I have the right to report on the standards of pages and discussions, hence if they deem it unacceptable they have the right to delete these pages. 

      Additionally, this wiki is not for fans discussion, there are rules and don't shadowhunters have a very tight law?

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    • I see.

      Well, yes, but technically, most of the comments and replies were still related to the main topic, which is: what the users think will happen in the next book. The poster even asked about who they think will die next. It's not like they strayed away and started talking or asking about Tessa's kids, or Emma's growth, or.. burger.

      I see that you were most affected about how some of the users were "crying" for certain characters: people respond differently to deaths... fictional or not. Either way, it was still related to the topic.

      Besides, we try to encourage discussion on the wiki at this point. It's part of what makes the wiki a "community", and that's technically why Wikia added the Forums in the first place. Please don't dissuade the other users and just have fun, too. :)

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    • Redwall64 wrote:
      I see.

      Well, yes, but technically, most of the comments and replies were still related to the main topic, which is: what the users think will happen in the next book. The poster even asked about who they think will die next. It's not like they strayed away and started talking or asking about Tessa's kids, or Emma's growth, or.. burger.

      I see that you were most affected about how some of the users were "crying" for certain characters: people respond differently to deaths... fictional or not. Either way, it was still related to the topic.

      Besides, we try to encourage discussion on the wiki at this point. It's part of what makes the wiki a "community", and that's technically why Wikia added the Forums in the first place. Please don't dissuade the other users and just have fun, too. :)

      That is beside the point, a Wiki is not for fan conjecture, it is for canonical knowledge. Threads are used for the purpose of discussing changes to pages, and benefiting the Wiki.

      My alternative is that they have a discussion on a free conversational website. If these chats are deamed unneccesary and wasteful, they will delete the conversation. This topic is fan-related, and thus is wasteful.

      Wikia has higher authority than Admins, becoming an admin or starting a Wiki goes through Wikia, they have the right to remove people from that title and powers. I know from experience what happens to Admins that abuse their powers, WolfRisingSun was an Admin on Kingdom Hearts fanfiction Wiki and after a scandal, he was removed by Wikia. An Admin must follow the rules by make a Wiki efficent, Threads are not for chatting, therefore this thread is unefficent.  

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    • Correct, but how does this Thread classify as "important" to the Wiki community? 

      As I said before, other than the two of us, most of those editing on this Thread have done no contribuations to pages on this Wiki, or in Wikienthuiests case - on any wiki.

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    • Along this sentence are the words "discussion about the topic of a wiki", with the words "other matters important" following the conjunction "and", so it allows both types of discussions on the wiki Forums.

      And as for the other users not contributing, they are here to be a part of the community because, as it says here, "Any user can participate in a Forum conversation", so they are very welcome here. :)

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    • And what if I told you that Wikia considers Forum conversation to be a gray area, and their are attempts in the making to limit it to important Wiki centered projects.

      What I have been told was to attempt an intevention on any conversation that does not fit into a category that benefits the Wiki and therefore the community's relevance on Threads should be to the Wiki they edit on issues regarding the Wiki.

      Repeating the same information on a Thread is unneccesary.

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    • Really? May you share where you heard this, or where in Wikia this is stated? Anyway, if this is so, then we shall wait for the announcement. But for now, the wiki is open to users hoping to express their grief about characters' possible deaths. :) Once this becomes true though, then of course we will comply :)

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    • That is insolent, you should do as is stated, not act independently. Wiki Administrators are answerable to Wikia, the reason you would not have heard this is because I am one of the people acting as messengers. 

      Policy change happens overnight, you could be Admin today and not tomorrow for not complying instantly.

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    • But see, I would like to read where this was stated. If there are no rules or announcements made yet, how would the admins and other users know of them in the first place?

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    • And since when is a Police Officer privy to the information garnered by the Head of Military Intelligence?

      Your job is to run the wiki, your opinions are unnecesary, you are on a need to know basis and given that you are not a member of Wikia Support's upper echalons you don't need to know.

      It is heavily being discussed as I speak, but when the decission is made they won't both with an announcement, I am simply telling you what will happen. It could change over night, no announcement, and those that don't comply will be delegated to their original tasks.

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    • Hahaha, okay. :D

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    • Blaid wrote:
      And since when is a Police Officer privy to the information garnered by the Head of Military Intelligence?

      Okay now you're jsut being humorous.

      Redwall is actually pointing out some very good things, don't start making up rules just because you don't like the rules there are Blaid.


      I actually do think either Simon or Alec will die,  and possibly Luke or jocelyn. What will happen with Sebastian is something I have many theories of, Sebastian kissed Clary before and he might do it again. I'm hoping Jace walked in on that and kick Sebastians ever living arse

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    • Blaid wrote:
      An impressive dialogue, give this freaky creature a clap. And now, lets more on. 

      I never said the books were real, I said that my family has military history - e.g. every generation a number of us fight in the army, we are British and proud of our military history. You armies may be bigger, but ours is better. 

      This new book hasn't come out yet, and yet you are getting emotional over it, its a waste. 

      No, if it did bother me I would head back to my fellow Admins in Wikia and have the discussion thread deleted, those who vandalize in retribution would be blocked. This would be what I would do if I cared, truly. 

      And Wikienthsiast, your opinion on my maturity is negleactable, you are free to have your opinions about people I don't care either way. Can't get blood out of a rock. 

      Human life is trash to me, you are all a name and a number, use as much passion as you want you will all die eventually. Your favourite characters, bar those confirmed Immortal, follow that same principle as they were designed as such.

      If one of you was bleeding out on the road, I would shrug and step over you, your lives are not worth wasting my time with. Each of us lives on borrowed time, I will use mine efficently and effectively, deaths mean nothing to me - just another part of the chain. This world isn't worth caring about, nor are the humans living on it, if there is a Devil I wish he'd get around to killing everyone already.


      To be honest, you may have 'no emotion' but you seem pretty fixed on your own 'assassin style' persona of LIFE IS NOTHING, YOU WILL DIE etc. - you seem to be missing the point - a life without emotion is nothing - the only point to life is emotion and enjoying that, which is what we are trying to do. And maybe - in your much loved army - life is nothing, but I personally have FRIENDS (which you may not be able to appreciate) and a loving family, so my life is worth more than that, as are the lives of other normal people.


      Back to the book, why do people keep saying Izzy will be an Iron Sister? Are there any hints towards this?

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    • Plus, just a quick comment - for all your talk about emotion which isn't even based on fact being stupid, you seem to be pretty into your own 'Shadowhunter law is hard', 'Head of Military Intelligence' etc. which seems more silly to me than just a natural engagement and empathy with characters.

      If you believe all emotion is stupid, why do you read books? Their fundamental purpose is to provide enjoyment - if you feel nothing at all, why read a purely fictional, entertaining book?

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    • You would notice Black Angel that I said there were "deep discussions about changing the rule", I never said anything about the rule being changed or another rule being "made up", I'm just passing about the warning.

      And the Wiki Contributror above is very preceptive, I suppose the truth is I learned how to supress my emotions, you take one emotion and repress it under a primary emotion you feel. E.g. hatred, rage.

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    • Blaid wrote:
      You would notice Black Angel that I said there were "deep discussions about changing the rule",

      I would never say that, I dont have that good of grammar lol

      'Surpress your emotions' what are you a jedi? Emotions are a part of human life, if you dont have emotions your life has no point. Just go because you have no reason to be here.

      And im not sure about Isabelle and the Iron Sisters, I haven't noticed any hints about it.

      I think that Jordan will die as well, forgot to add that in, I think it'll have something to do with saving Maia.

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    • Surpressing emotions is rather common in European and Northern Asian Countries, why do you think most British that have suffered and many eastern russians are such cold fish?

      I have concentrated on the emotion of anger, it kinda blighted out the rest.

      I think Izzy will have to leave to carry on the Lightwood line, I mean... come on! Vampires cannot reproduce through normal means and there are no other living Lightwoods we know about.

      I also think Clary will become a Dark Shadowhunter, notable when I look at Teaser 9, it seems to me that Clary's vision of Jonathan has been turned completely upon its head. Maybe she is seeing him as a human, and everyone else is wrong because of the change, the change inverting good to bad and bad to good.

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    • For anyone else who wants to actually discuss what they think will happen in CoHF, proceed here.

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